DeepSummary
The transcript is a discussion following a presidential debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, where the panelists express deep concern over Biden's poor performance and apparent cognitive decline on stage. They debate whether the Democratic Party should take the drastic step of removing Biden as their nominee at the convention and strategically choosing an alternative candidate.
Ezra Klein makes the case that while risky, the party may need to seriously consider a convention process to nominate someone else, as Biden appeared unfit to effectively serve or campaign for the presidency based on his debate struggles. Others like Ross Douthat argue Biden's shortcomings rise to a moral failure by the party to protect American interests.
The group explores different scenarios, such as trying to elevate Kamala Harris or elevating governors or rising stars like Gretchen Whitmer. However, they acknowledge the party apparatus may lack coordination to easily make such a move happen in practice.
Key Episodes Takeaways
- The panelists were deeply troubled by Joe Biden's poor debate performance against Donald Trump, which they saw as confirming concerns about his cognitive abilities and fitness for office.
- Ezra Klein made a pragmatic case that despite the risks, the Democratic Party should seriously consider taking the drastic step of replacing Biden as nominee at the convention to choose someone more capable of running against Trump.
- However, the panelists acknowledged a coordinated convention strategy may be very difficult for the party to pull off, with doubts about whether Democrats would turn decisively against Biden.
- Part of the challenge is there is no clear consensus alternative to Biden, with doubts raised about Kamala Harris as well, though rising figures like Gretchen Whitmer or others could potentially emerge.
- The debate underscored the need for the party to make a moral choice about Biden's diminished capabilities versus protecting their prospects against Trump in the next election.
- Ross Douthat argued keeping Biden as nominee would be an abdication of the party's duty to the country given the immense powers and challenges facing the presidency.
- Ezra Klein wondered if Biden himself would put country over self-interest and step aside rather than risking his own legacy by staying in despite apparent decline.
- Overall, the panelists portrayed a Democratic Party in crisis and facing an agonizing strategic dilemma at a pivotal juncture.
Top Episodes Quotes
- “I think the problem is that Donald Trump seemed much more presidential than he did in 2020, and Joe Biden seemed much less months ago.“ by Ezra Klein
- “And the truth is that I think that Trump had some strong points in his. A lot of what Trump said about his own presidency, I think was factually incorrect. But the general sense that he pushed, which is like, if you go back, things felt calmer to you than they do now, it was clear he was able to deliver it repeatedly.“ by Ezra Klein
- “So now we're gonna see, right, the Democratic Party. I don't believe, I don't believe if you gave all the top Democrats right now truth serum or such a thing there and you said, is Biden gonna win? They would tell you. Yes. So now that that is sitting there in their hearts, we will see. Can they act in any kind of coordinated way to do something difficult, which is persuade this guy that he shouldnt run again and risk becoming the Ruth Bader Ginsburg of this election and destroying his legacy and handing this back to Donald Trump?“ by Ezra Klein
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The Ezra Klein Show
New York Times Opinion
6/28/24