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In this episode, Carolyn Kilstra discusses grief, loneliness, and ways to cope after losing a loved one. She interviews Deanne Overfold, a listener who lost her husband of 30 years to leukemia and is struggling with loneliness. Dr. Katherine Scheer, an expert on grief, explains the difference between grief and depression, and emphasizes the importance of maintaining connections and finding new ways to experience pleasure.
Nora McInerny, a writer who has experienced profound loss, shares her insights on navigating relationships during grief. She discusses the challenges of maintaining friendships, the unhelpful notion of "moving on," and the value of connecting with others who understand grief. McInerny encourages being honest about one's needs and emphasizes the importance of supportive communities.
Throughout the episode, the guests offer practical advice for coping with loneliness after loss, such as engaging in new hobbies or activities, seeking counseling or support groups, and fortifying existing relationships. They acknowledge the difficulty of the process but stress the importance of finding ways to incorporate grief into one's life while still experiencing joy and connection.
Key Episodes Takeaways
- Grief is a natural reaction to loss that evolves over time but does not fully resolve; it requires adaptation to a changed world.
- Loneliness is a particularly persistent and difficult aspect of grief, but maintaining connections and finding new sources of pleasure can help.
- Open and honest communication about one's needs during grief is crucial for maintaining supportive relationships.
- Joining a support group or community of others who understand grief can provide validation and comfort.
- The notion of "moving on" from grief can be unhelpful; instead, one must find ways to move forward while incorporating grief into one's life.
- Engaging in new hobbies, creative pursuits, or rediscovering old interests can help process grief and find meaning.
- Seeking counseling or professional support can provide guidance and strategies for coping with complicated or prolonged grief.
- Grief is a highly personal experience, and others' assumptions about mourning may not match one's own needs.
Top Episodes Quotes
“I fired up the group chat. I sent a text message, and I said, I know you love me. I know you love me. It's Erin's 6th death anniversary. I didn't hear from any of you, and it hurts me to not hear from you. So here is what I need. I need you right now to open up your calendar, set a reminder, not just for November 25, but also for, you know, the week before.“ by Nora McInerney
― This quote exemplifies Nora McInerny's practical advice for communicating one's needs to loved ones during times of grief, underscoring the importance of open and honest communication.“I will say that loneliness, of all the things that people feel, I think it's in a way one of the last to kind of recede. It's one of the hardest to deal with.“ by Katherine Scheer
― This quote from Dr. Katherine Scheer highlights the particular challenge of loneliness in the grieving process, underscoring its persistence and difficulty.
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Advice to My Younger Self | SELF
SELF & Condé Nast
12/21/20
On this week's episode of Checking In, we hear from Deanne, a listener who lost her husband of 30 years to leukemia. Deanne's question is about moving past her grief and finding ways to not feel lonely—an especially challenging task given the current pandemic. Carolyn speaks with Dr. Katherine Shear, an internist, psychiatrist, and grief expert, plus Nora McInerny, a writer whose career includes two memoirs and countless conversations about death and grief.
Read more about Dr. Katherine Shear here, and more about The Center for Complicated Grief at Columbia University here. If you’re curious, this page does an excellent job at outlining the difference between grief and complicated grief. You can also learn more about grief milestones here.
Nora McInerny is the author of several books and the founder of the Hot Young Widows Club. You can follow her on Instagram @noraborealis, or check out her books, podcasts, and more right here.
If you’re looking for conversation and candid reflections on grief, check out Modern Loss, which offers advice, essays and more. You can also follow @oh.goodgrief, an online community that periodically hosts virtual gatherings and also offers advice to those who know someone who has suffered a loss.
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