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The podcast transcript discusses the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stated the goal of Israel's military campaign is to achieve a "total victory" over Hamas and destroy the militant group. However, experts like Dennis Ross, a former US Middle East envoy, suggest that while military defeat of Hamas is possible, the group's ideology cannot be eradicated, much like ISIS.
As the war drags on with a mounting civilian death toll, including over 13,000 children killed, there are concerns that Israel's actions could perpetuate a cycle of radicalization in the region. Ha Hellyer from the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace argues that the disproportionate response and high civilian casualties are likely to drive more people, not just Palestinians, to join militant groups against Israel.
Hellyer also notes that the US, a key ally of Israel, has become increasingly isolated on the international stage due to its support for Israel's actions. He believes the US has compromised its reputation as an upholder of a rules-based world order and international law, damaging its credibility not just in the Middle East but globally.
Key Episodes Takeaways
- Israel's stated goal is to achieve a 'total victory' over Hamas through military force in Gaza.
- Experts warn that while Hamas can be militarily defeated, its ideology cannot be eradicated through force alone.
- The mounting civilian death toll, including over 13,000 children killed, raises concerns that Israel's actions could fuel further radicalization and a cycle of violence.
- The disproportionate civilian casualties have isolated the US on the international stage for supporting Israel's military campaign.
- Israel's Far-right government shows little interest in pursuing a peace process or two-state solution.
- The US's backing of Israel's actions has severely damaged its global reputation as an upholder of international law and rules-based order.
- Military action alone is unlikely to end militant ideologies like Hamas, as evident from the continued presence of groups like ISIS despite past defeats.
- Public opinion in the West increasingly favors an unconditional ceasefire, diverging from the US stance.
Top Episodes Quotes
- “Our security and the prospects of peace in the Middle east depend on one total victory over Hamas.“ by Benjamin Netanyahu
- “On the contrary, with the civilian death toll being at where it is, as you mentioned in your introduction, I reckon Hamas will actually have a lot of people that will be willing to be recruited in in order to defend themselves against further israeli attacks.“ by Ha Hellyer
- “I think the overwhelming majority now of public opinion in the west is that a ceasefire has to come now without any conditions necessarily. So America is really on its lonesome in this regard, and I don't think people realize that.“ by Ha Hellyer
- “I've never seen a situation quite so dire as the one that I see right now in terms of America's reputation not simply in the Middle east but internationally, even, frankly, across the west as well.“ by Ha Hellyer
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Consider This from NPR
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4/12/24
But in the path of that destruction, more than 33,000 Palestinian civilians have been killed. Regular people, entire families, and more than 13,000 children.
Yet, it's not clear if Israel is any closer to its stated goal of destroying Hamas. In fact, is it possible that the horrors of this war could ignite a cycle of radicalization in the region?
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