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Johnny Ray Austin, a senior director at Best Egg, discusses the challenges engineering leaders face in managing realistic product roadmaps and dealing with unrealistic expectations. He emphasizes the importance of aligning engineering goals with business objectives, providing clear context and prioritization to teams, and embracing ambiguity while driving clarity.
Austin highlights the tendency for teams to be busy without achieving desired outcomes, stressing the need for leaders to set the right direction and priorities. He advises focusing on outcome-driven metrics rather than input metrics and emphasizes the value of destroying ambiguity through open communication and transparency.
The conversation also touches on building resilient teams by hiring individuals comfortable with ambiguity, managing misaligned priorities within organizations, and the impact of economic cycles on engineering teams. Austin shares insights from his experience navigating acquisitions, creating new product organizations, and leading globally distributed teams.
Key Episodes Takeaways
- Engineering leaders must align product roadmaps with realistic business objectives and provide clear context and prioritization to teams.
- Teams can easily burn out and fail to achieve desired outcomes without the right direction and focus from leadership.
- Focusing on outcome-driven metrics rather than input metrics is crucial for measuring progress and success.
- Embracing ambiguity while actively driving clarity is essential for building resilient, high-performing teams.
- Hiring individuals comfortable with ambiguity and able to ask the right questions is vital for creating resilient teams.
- Open communication, transparency, and written documentation are essential for aligning teams and managing misaligned priorities.
- Economic cycles and market conditions can significantly impact engineering teams, requiring leaders to adapt and provide context.
- Building strong, resilient teams is crucial for navigating challenging situations such as acquisitions and organizational changes.
Top Episodes Quotes
- “So you can easily burn out a team for a year and accomplish absolutely nothing. And then the idea is like, oh, you work really hard, but we didn't actually achieve what we wanted to because, you know, I as a leader did not give you the right context and I give you the right prioritization. I just kept you busy for twelve months.“ by Johnny Ray Austin
- “It's about embracing ambiguity as it exists, but also focusing hard on the rewarding the, you know, the clarity that comes with the product organization.“ by Johnny Ray Austin
- “So one of the key tenants that we used to work with at till and coming in the best day was, you know, we have to destroy ambiguity at all costs. Right? So not being able to, you know, not being afraid of it, you know, being able to deal with it is one thing, but actually actively going out, finding it and destroying it is really, really important.“ by Johnny Ray Austin
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Dev Interrupted
LinearB
7/2/24
When we first saw the talk titled “Space Aliens Are Among Us, Your Product Roadmap is Realistic and Other Lies you Believe,” we knew we had to sit down with Best Egg’s Johnny Ray Austin at LeadingEng SF last year.
Johnny joined our host Conor Bronsdon to discuss how engineering leaders can navigate unrealistic expectations and pressures, drawing from his experiences and relating product roadmaps to the less-than-tangible UFO disclosure we’ve seen in recent years. The conversation explores the pressures engineering leaders face, how to align product roadmaps realistically, and how to manage ambiguity within teams.
By aligning engineering goals with business objectives and building a transparent, high-performing engineering culture, you can give your teams the context they need to drive focus and concentration toward the right outcomes.
Episode Highlights:
- 1:36 Where Johnny came up with the talk title "Space Aliens Are Among Us"
- 4:15 Advice for engineering leaders struggling with roadmap realism
- 6:44 Cutting through the noise to find the metrics that matter
- 11:41 How do teams know if they're moving fast in the right direction?
- 14:58 How do you handle teams that are getting the wrong input?
- 20:32 Lies we tell ourselves that we need to get past
- 28:32 What it’s like to create a new unit inside a company
- 33:53 Identifying and dealing with ambiguity on your teams
- 40:45 Johnny’s Thoughts on AI
Show Notes
- Download your complimentary Gartner® Market Guide: Software Engineering Intelligence (SEI) Platforms
- Johnny Ray Austin
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